Program: Mornings
Date: 16/7/2024
Time: 11:32 AM
Compere: Matthew Pantelis
MATTHEW PANTELIS: |
Yesterday morning, we were talking about private hospitals and the fact quite a number have closed around the country and here in SA. Down in the south east, Mount Gambier, Keith, in the city – urology clinics, gastro clinics, day surgery places and hospitals in general. Western Hospital, I’m not sure where that’s at the moment, but under immense pressure, not- financial not that long ago. Doctor Rachel David, CEO, Private Healthcare Australia, on the line. Rachel, good morning. |
RACHEL DAVID: | Hi, Matthew. |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | We spoke with Michael Roff yesterday. You wanted to respond to that? |
RACHEL DAVID: | Yeah, look, I did. And what I wanted to do was to really reassure the community in South Australia, that certainly from what we’re seeing as health funds, no one is waiting or being denied treatment in a private hospital in South Australia. So I just wanted to make that point very clear. Our first duty is to our members in health funds and to ensure that the system is accessible to our members. So that means keeping premiums affordable, but also ensuring access to quality private hospitals. And there’s just no evidence that’s not happening in South Australia. |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | Are they affordable though, the premiums? Michael Roff made the point yesterday of the billion dollar profits that private health funds make. And that’s the name of the game. We all understand that. You’ve got to make a profit. But surely some of that money, given the closure of private hospitals, you’d need them to be there for your members to have services to go to. And if they’re closing, then the system isn’t working somewhere along the line. Either those premiums, those profits – some of them need to be returned to keep hospitals viable and staffed and everything else. Or simply you’re just taking too much from people paying you the hard bucks. |
RACHEL DAVID: |
Look, there’s a lot there, Matthew. And if I can just have a couple of minutes to address those two points. The point- the first point about the profitability of health funds and the second about hospitals closing. So on profits, just a couple of things. It is not legal to operate a health fund at a loss over a period of time. So by definition, a health fund needs to be profitable. And the extent of that profit is reviewed in detail every year by the Minister in the premium round process. When the health funds started to accumulate cash during the pandemic lockdowns, they paid it all back to consumers. $4.4 billion went back to their members because they knew that they had to continue to provide value. So the APHA made this claim, or Michael Roff made this claim that you could pay anything the hospitals were asking for, and they have done it tough as a result of inflation and not put up premiums. That’s just not true. And we’ve asked the APHA to provide its modelling to- that indicates how they arrived at that conclusion, and they haven’t done so. So what we need to do is focus on what we can pay hospitals without putting up premiums and increasing the burden on our members. We are going through that process with the Federal Government, and it will mean that we’ll need to make some savings somewhere along the line, and we’re just determining what they are. On the second point about hospital closures, there was a list in the papers of 72 hospitals that had apparently closed around Australia. Now, of those 72 hospitals, 60 of them were small doctor-owned and other day surgeries that open and close all the time. They were surplus to requirements and that’s why they closed. So- and even that they included some of the cosmetic cowboy clinics that were referred to in the media. Of the 12 standalone overnight hospitals that closed, seven of them were taken over by other entities, either other hospital companies or states, and are still open. So we’re actually talking about five significant hospitals across the whole country that have closed. Now, that doesn’t mean to say that hospitals aren’t doing it tough. They’ve been hit by inflation of recruitment, power and food, just like every other business around Australia, and we’re working with them on how we can address that. But the answer is- like, if a cafe has been hit by, you know, the issues with inflation and workforce, the solution is not to put up the price of a coffee to $15. |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | Yeah. |
RACHEL DAVID: | The solution is to work as much as possible to address the underlying issues. That’s what we’re trying to do with this review by the Department of Health and through the premium setting process, which is the most rigorous, regulated price setting process that we have in Australia. So I did [indistinct] … |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | I’ve got a text here from Bill, who says: no one is being denied care in private hospital, you say. But if you live in the country areas, the private hospitals are all closing. And here in SA down in the south east, and I can’t give you the exact dates, but the Keith hospital has closed. The Mount Gambier Private Hospital has closed. So in the south east, in that region, two private hospitals are gone for the tens of thousands of people who live throughout the Tatiara District Council and down into Mount Gambier. So certainly big losses. And this is the thing – you need each other. The private health funds need the hospitals to be there. The hospitals need the private health fund to allow people to come in. You need each other. And if you’re not both there and if it’s not affordable for people in the first place, well, private hospitals won’t be there. You won’t have- your funds won’t have members in them, and it’s just so self-defeating. |
RACHEL DAVID: | Well, that’s why we’re doing everything possible to keep premiums down. And we are aware that the hospitals that have closed, they’re pretty much all in rural and regional areas. So one of the things that we will need to look at in our discussions with the Federal Government is whether we can really reallocate some of our funding to those struggling hospitals in those areas, even if it means that some of the, you know, the day surgeries that are surplus to requirements, that are clustered around some of the big shopping centres in in the big cities, don’t get funded. And, you know, we don’t need a hospital on every corner in the big cities. That detracts from quality, and it makes the system less affordable. But there really is a case to give some additional funding to some of these regional hospitals. |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | Yeah. |
RACHEL DAVID: | And that’s an option that we will be looking at. But overall … |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | [Interrupts] But don’t we need to keep those day clinics, even in cities, running? Because if people can’t go there, they’ll end up in an ED. |
RACHEL DAVID: | Well, not necessarily. The ones that are doing well and the ones that are busy are pretty much meeting the requirements of patients at the moment. The ones that have closed, really, there was a whole heap of cosmetic clinics in there. And the ones that have closed were really the ones that weren’t getting the patient through in the first place. |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | Okay, yeah. |
RACHEL DAVID: | So, you know- so at the moment we’re doing well in terms of meeting the demand for surgery for our members. |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | All right. Rachel, appreciate the call. Thank you. |
RACHEL DAVID: | Thank you very much, Matthew. |
MATTHEW PANTELIS: | Doctor Rachel David there from Private Healthcare Australia, in response to Michael Roff yesterday on- Private Hospitals Association with the news that a number have closed. |
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